Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

topic posted Sat, July 7, 2007 - 2:38 PM by  Miss Boo
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** Before I say anything, I just want to start out by noting that I am NOT bashing on anyone here. My purpose of posting this all, is to try and get help, not cause drama or problems. So, with that being said:

As of today, my very first 'Flying Skirts', backless ATS style choli arrived. The tag boasts that it can be worn without a bra.

And, I have to disagree. For myself at least.

I am a 36 DD -- and this choli can NOT be worn without a bra. No. Sorry. And so... this is a problem for me. This choli is very, very nice... I am very impressed with it's construction and the fabric is great. But, I cannot wear it without a bra, and I don't see how any larger chested dancer could, either.

Such a never ending battle.... *SIGH*

So now I'm wondering... what can I do to make this work? Anyone have any suggestions?? I put a picture up in the gallery of how it looks over my bra. And the thing is... I NEED that bra support, so, maybe someone here can help me out??

Help?? This all just seems all so .... unfair to me. I don't think I should have to wear a choli with a back just because I have a larger chest. There has to be a way to modify this -- even with this choli I just got. Seems like such a shame to me.
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    Here's what I do....
    cut the long sleeves off to about a 3/4 length, and hem the sleeves. Take the removed pieces from the sleeves, and sew them like a wider band across the back. Sew it under the ties, leaving the ties to still be functional but tieing over the new added piece. Looks the same except the back ties appear to be wider and the bra is covered. I have to slip the choli on over my head, but that's minor issue for me. Wearing a bra is an absolute must with these DD's+.

    Hope this helps!
    • Actually... you just gave me an idea. Maybe I can get some fabric that is kind of the same, and sew my OWN ties on... ones that cover the back. Hmm..... *thinking* ....
      • I always wear a bra under my cholis as I definitely need the support. The only time I might not, is if I am wearing my coin bra over the top of the choli as that provides support usually. I do usually still wear a bra under that tho!
        What I did was buy an inexpensive bra that gives me a medium amount of support with the thinnest straps I could find. I then snip the straps off from where they attach to the back strap and sew them back on closer to my underarms, ensuring they are hidden by the back of the choli. If the back strap is still too chunky, I would run it in a bit before attaching the straps. I then sew a thin, flat bit of elastic between the two shoulder straps around the same place that the top tie of open backed cholis usually sit as this elastic keeps the straps from slipping off my shoulder. This gives me enough support and only a few thin straps are visible but the are generally hidden by the choli ties anyway! Hope this helps! Sophie
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          Did anyone watch American Inventor this last season? The runner-up was Elaine Cato, who designed a 6-in-1 backless bra that could be used by small framed women with a C cup and above. Although she didn't win the prize, Maidenform took a liking to her design and they may be working on it right now. So, there may still be hope for those of us who hate to sew, don't have time, or would just rather buy something off the shelf.
          • okay an almost sleazey idea. i was stumbiling through the fredricks of hollywood site not long ago and they have all sorts of backless bras out now. so um maybe go check them out. not sure if any of them would work as i'v enever tryed them, but if they aren't to spendy it might be worth a look see. give it a dry run durring a home dance session or something like that.

            good luck!
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              Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

              Mon, August 20, 2007 - 11:32 AM
              I haven't tried the backless ones, but I have used the Frederick's "Hollywood X-Treme" strapless for a bra base, and they're fantastic. Firm, molded cups, and if you don't cut the backstrap off, it's covered with sticky elasticy stuff on the inside, to help it stay up. (I just covered the outside with stretch velvet, since I didn't need massive support with this particular bra.)
  • I would suggest kind of what Amazon did...

    Just cut wider ties, attach and viola? because you are wearing a black bra it dosn't look too bad, but prehaps wider straps might help. You could also consider doing a clasp instead of a tie [like hook and eyes] so that the width stays the right width. If that makes sense.
  • Yeah, I never quite buy the "you can wear it w/o a bra". I mean, you *can* wear it, and it will probably be supportive, but it's just not the same. You've got a few options that don't involve re-designing the choli:

    1) Sew in a bra. Put on a sacrificial bra, then put on the choli. Pin the choli to the bra at the shoulder seams and side seams (so you have a place to hide the stitches. Take it all off. Sew the bra in at those points. Cut off the excess straps. You may want to do some additional stitches along the bottom band and cleavage to keep the choli from shiftying and exposing the bra. I find this works best w/ a molded cup bra (just easier to do all the sewing). This is my favorite solution, since it's just so comfortable and easy to wear.

    2) Cover the back strap of a strapless bra, alla a regular tribal bra (you know, the big ol' black halter-like tie). I have found that cholis are supportive enough to keep the bra up and in place w/o any shoulder straps, and, from the back, it resembles what FCBD looks like from behind anyway (two back ties). For some added drama, decorate the top of the bra w/ some ribbons, trim, coins, etc. and let it poke through for a little layered look.

    3) Like #1, only take an inexpensive, sleevless choli and sew the bra in. Then wear that choli under all your others. Basically the exact same thing, only now you have a new "bra" and don't have to cut up a new bra every time you buy a new choli.

    4) The FCBD solution--just wear a decorated bra on top.
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    yeah... I am a 36/38 DD and definitely cannot wear one alone. Droopage, anyone? :)

    I definitely wear a plunge bra under it, and I find that it stays well hidden.

    I've also heard some ladies suggest wearing two at a time for double support, but I have not tried it myself. I always have to have a bra on... always...
  • Hi there,

    I am a C cup and will generally wear a bra under my choli if I am not wearing a coin bra over the top.
    I have a couple of bras that have convertible and clear straps plus a clear back section that works particulary well underneath the choli - depending on the choli (I have a few bought ones from different sellers plus my own) I may convert the straps to a halter.

    With my troupe some of the ladies are quite well endowed and have made or adapted cholis with a wide elastic section across the opening that connects with hook and eyes to cover a broader backed bra but still has the look of open backed bra.

    Hope that helps

    Fee
  • I've gotta say the the FCBD/Folkwear Tribal Dancer choli pattern does a decent job of holding mine (40D+) in place, if you ever decide to make one. It has a substantial band around the ribcage, and the upper ties hold everything up much like a halter bathing suit top. Also I believe Flying Skirts cholis are made from stretchy fabric(?), which has too much give and bounce. As Angel DeMort pointed out in an earlier choli thread, stretchy cholis won't hold a large pair in place even though they work OK for smaller breasted women.
    • That's good to know since I just bought the pattern! I guess I made a good choice then. And you're right about the stretchy fabric. I won't wear any stretch velvet tops unless I can fit a bra under it, even if it only stretches width-wise. It just doesn't give proper support and can feel rather indecent for performances. It's something to keep in mind when buying any stretch velvet tops with a larger bust.
  • I just wanted to let you ladies know that this bra-contraption of mine, also works under the 'drop sleeve' choli creation that Gwen of Flying Skirts makes. I just got my first black velvet drop sleeve choli.... and it fits perfect with the bra!

    Wooo hoo!!!!! :) :)
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    I'm liking this idea of simply sewing cups into a choli... I'm a 32i. Does anyone know of any websites that just sell cups? I could've sworn I came across one at one point in my internetting. Maybe I just dreamed it!

    I'm working on starting up a tribal fusion wardrobe, and would die for at least one piece that isn't a straight bra. The only bra I own that's actually in my size cost me $400, noooo way am I'm chopping that puppy up anytime soon. I love lurking and getting more ideas into my head.
    • Mahhhra,
      If you're just looking for cups that fit, try looking for a cheap(er) bra that has a much bigger band size than what you wear and a D/DD cup. The cups of a 32D are much smaller than a 42D, so you may be able to find a bra with a bigger band size that has cups big enough your your 32I size. I know this well because before I had a reduction I wore 38DDD for a long time, then I got properly fitted and found out that I was a 34H. The cups of the 38DDD fit fine, but the band was way too big around. So I had to go up in cup size and down in band size to keep the same cup volume. I hope this makes sense.
      P.S. eBay is a good place to find cheaper bras in letters beyond D. I got several 34H's for about $20 each.
  • Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 1:12 PM
    Don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but Lane Bryant has a new bra called the BRA6. It's a little tricky to get on, since the clasps arent in the usual places, but they have a transparent strap across the back that can be exchanged for the solid one. It comes with the bra. I don't know the durability of the transparent plastic back piece, but could be a viable solution...and we all know that Lane Bryant bras can work wonders for us big girls!
    • Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

      Thu, February 7, 2008 - 8:48 AM
      I had to bump this to mention that I made a second bra recently, and I continue to use Lane Bryant bras, as they really, really hold up and are supportive.
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        I'm still too chicken and too lazy to try and make the Franken-bra, so I'm still holding out for the Maidenform backless bra that the lady from American Inventor came up with. It's available on the Maidenform website for pre-order finally (although I have no idea when you'd actually get the bra), and it's only $25! It only goes up to 38DD. Here's the link:
        www.maidenform.com/catalog/product.jsp
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          That's very interesting, bit I'm not sure how well it would work for the big tatas. I would be very interested to hear from someone after wearing it for a while.
          • I'm with Zarina... I don't know how well that will work for someone like me, who is a DD -- the test, is time. I want to see how well it's holding after say... an hour. It doesn't look very sturdy to me... I'm cynical.

            I'll be waiting to hear what you think when it DOES get purchased. Keep us posted!!!
          • Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

            Sat, November 29, 2008 - 9:28 AM
            Update:

            I've worn my franken-bra, for hours. And it's always been just fine.

            And I've thrown it into the washing machine on accident a few times - and it still holds up. I stand by this thing, let me tell you. I'm about to make a flesh colored one next, and I am still using the same type of bra from Lane Bryant. It's really the best style I've used because it has the low drop front, like the front of the cholis :)
        • Heya ladies, just resurrecting this thread to give a report on the Maidenform backless bra. I was excited and willing to give it a try, so I pre-ordered one. It came in today and I'm sad to say that it absolutely does NOT work. It doesn't even act like it's going to stay on. Even when I stood still with my shoulders held back the straps would slip, and if I tried to move around (as if dancing) it popped right off. I'm a 36C... it might work better for smaller gals but I'm not sure how.
          I had such high hopes but can't recommend it at all, going to return the one I ordered.
  • I am also a 36DD and sometimes 36F...I was wondering where you even FIND the bigger coin bra's to fit our size? I always seem to find size C which seems to be popular, but never anything bigger. Is there someplace that sells to the bigger chested ladies or do we have to buy a bra in our own size and then make one? My problem is, I SUCK at sewing!!
  • Hello Ladies,
    I hate to bring up an even more difficult question. I am a 42 E and have to wear a front closure. That means I have a stong supportive wide elastic band in the back. Because of scoliosis, I have to wear this type of bra. I can only find them in white, so that pretty much eliminates the Frankenbra for me. I have tried everything. I have to dance in this type of supportive bra, as I have to wear it daily as well. So if I do my daily activities in this bra, then you can see how I would have to dance in it, as I need even more support when I dance. I have just recently resigned myself to the cholis with a back in them. Now I laugh at those who say that the cholis can be worn without a bra and give plenty of support. Many of my smaller dance sisters have been watching themselves on video, and when they aren't wear their coin bras, they are quite surprised by the amazing amount of jiggle that they produce. Is anyone else in the same situation?
    • Hello my favorite bras are the Lane Bryant Bras without the underwire that generally runs 28.00 and sometimes they ahve such a good sale on them. I have a tribal bra that I love for it doesn't but into me. I had Angelia from Oregon to make me a choli large enough in the back and not make it too fleshy, and she made me a wide band on the bottom of the choli. I love it! Then I don't have all this back fat hanging out, for I feel so conspicious with all my fat flesh shining!!
      • Hi all,

        sorry for dragging this topic up again, but I just had an idea. Mind, it's just an idea, I didn't try this yet so no guarantee, but if anyone feels compelled to try, just give it a shot.
        I'm not american (please also excuse me if my english gets funky from time to time), so I go by the metric bra sizing system, but if I calculated correctly, I'm something like a 38 E (or is that DD?). Plus, my thingies are subject to basic physics, aka laws of gravity. ;o) So now way on this earth for me to wear a choli without bra.

        Okay, enough babble, here my idea:
        Why not take a bra, cut off the back straps short of where they meet the open back side of the choli (exactly where the lowe ties start). then get this hook and eyelet bands (sorry, don't know the correct name. They are kind of bands with hooks or eyelets already sewed on and are used as corset closures. You can buy them by the meter over here.) Sew the hooks part to the bra, the eyelets part to the inside of the choli (or vice versa, just make sure that the hooks cannot pinch your skin while moving), matching the underbust band of the bra to the underbust ties of the choli. So when you hook in the bra and tie the lower ties of the choli, they hold the choli plus the bra.
        Et voila, you get the support of the bra underneath the choli, esp. the support of the bra's shoulder straps, you can take it apart for washing, plus you have to mangle only one bra and can use it with different cholis. And you only have to sew the eyelets into the cholis - no big alterations.

        Hope my explanations were not too confused, if yes, just tell me and I'll try to make a drawing or something to explain.
        • I do an even cheaper, lazier version of this: I lay a bra inside the choli, where it would be if I were wearing the two together. Then, I fold back the hook and eye sections of the bra band so they're inside the choli (so no bra strap showing). Then I grab a big safety pin and pin the bra band to the choli, right at the very back.

          Basically, the same idea. The choli (if it fits well) will hold the bra in place for you. And, if the elastic bra band is fastened near the bottom tie of the choli then, when you tie the choli in place, it will tie the bra in place too. I'm just way to cheap to cut up a good bra, and too lazy to put a bra in every choli. If you're worried about a pin popping during a show, you could always whip-stitch the bra in place, then cut it out later.
          • I have tried doing this, and it doesn't work for me at all. It might work for someone with a small or medium bust though.

            My cholis are made from good-quality stretch velvet or 4-way stretch fabric, but the fabric and ties are simply not sturdy enough to support my chest and keep the bra where it should be. The bra always moves around and drops in elevation. :( I thought about replacing the choli ties with sturdy, non-stretch fabric, but that would just put all of the pressure on the place where the ties connect to the choli body and the ties would probably rip off. Plus I'd have to do this with every choli. I'm going to try to make the cut-up bra with the non-stretchy back-tie, and I'll report on how that works!
            • The 4-way stretch may very well be the problem. Think about it: if the fabric can stretch up-down, then what's there to hold the bra/breasts up? My cholis are either only vertical stretch or no stretch (E+ cup here). And the top/bottom fit of the choli has to be really good--bordering on too small, again to hold everything up and in. My bottom bands are right under the bustline--couldn't be any higher. So, when that band is tied tight, I pull the bra up so the underwire is sitting right on top of the bottom band and can't shift down. I totally agree this all can lead to too much pressure on the top ties of the choli. I find it personably bearable and not nearly as bad as a halter bra. But I have to constantly tweak the top ties (just tight enough to hold everything, but not so tight that they dig in...)
            • If you can stand one more suggestion: I'm a (natural, older, post-babies) 32DD - Bras made in this size are usually "decoration" for those with "enhanced" tata's. I remake everything! I took a Flying Skirts Sweetheart neckline - short sleeve choli - and took about 3 inches of fabric out of the side, removed most of the gusset, dropped the shoulder, and took in the sleeves so they'd act like bands around my flappy wings. Shortening up the sides and removing most of the gusset allowed me to tie it much tighter - giving more support on the sides and under the arms. With my bra on top, tied like a traditional bra, not a halter - absolutely nothing moved. You could also sew boning into the sides of the choli for more support. The alterations to the choli are similar to the alterations I make on the 34D bras I buy (band is too big, side support in the wrong place).

              If you're not wearing a bra over the choli - then sewing the bra in is a good idea - Flying Skirts had info about how to do this on their website, didn't they?
    • Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

      Sat, November 29, 2008 - 9:31 AM
      I wish I had seen this earlier... I'll PM this to you too, Annie.

      Have you considered making a flesh colored 'tube' to put over the back of the bra? People would still see a little something back there, but believe me, they stop noticing after a first glance. Bras tend to draw more attention... cause people are lame (LOL!!). A friend of mine who doesn't like to bare her midriff, makes body stockings our of this stretchy nude fabric, and she made some bra cover tops, too.
  • It's not just you larger busted ladies either! Some of us who are a little under endowed need a bra too otherwise you just look ridiculous in the backless cholis, unfortunately my boobs just disappear. Modesty always makes me feel a little uncomfortable walking around without a bra anyway, just the way i was brought up i guess.

    My friend who is a kick boxer says bra's are essential for any kind of exercise - especially if you are larger chested as there is the potential to strain chest muscles and give yourself back problems.
    I think someone should start selling choli's designed to be worn with a bra, make life easier for all of us.
    Hugs
    Katie
  • I don't know if this has been posted yet (there are a lot of posts), but big busted women can wear backless cholis without a bra. It's all in the way it's made. Of course, I've only bought one choli that I could wear without a bra and thats from tribes.tribe.net/angeldmort . She even made me a halter that I can wear. A halter! I haven't been able to wear one of those in years! So I would recommend asking Angel if you're wanting a backless choli. And if you want to see some pictures, they're in my profile. No bras at all.
  • Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

    Sat, November 22, 2008 - 12:51 PM
    Someone asked me to bump this up... so I'm doing that. I didn't even realize I originally made this post with my old account that Tribe so kindly "accidentally deleted" last year.

    Thank goodness for the search function, eh?

    :)
    • Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

      Fri, November 28, 2008 - 7:55 AM
      Pedralta goddess cholis can be worn with a bra but the model here is wearing one without. It would benefit from a couple of stitches at the front. The back has been designed so that a bra can be worn underneath. The fabric is stretchy and supportive, machine washable and the cholis are made in the UK with workers paid good wages.

      www.pedralta.com/shop/tops/007-006.htm
      Worldwide shipping is, as always, included in prices and now that the dollar is stonger they're better value than ever!

      How's that for shameless promotion :)
      • Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

        Sat, November 29, 2008 - 9:21 AM
        I don't mean to defy you here, Donna, but... Flying skirts claims the same thing. Talk to some really large busted ladies, and they will all tell you that there is no such thing as a backless choli, that can be wore, without a bra - I mean, wait, correction. You can wear anything you like without a bra. There is no such thing a backless choli that will provide the same lift, and support, that a bra will. Not unless it has a bra built in. I am a 36 DD - and I've tried to wear the choli's without bras. Not good. I don't the ladies bouncin' around whilst I do the Reham-Ka ;)

        Thus I developed this franken-bra. It works under backless cholis. All of them. Probably even yours.

        How's THAT for shamless self promotion :) :)
        • Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

          Tue, December 2, 2008 - 5:10 PM
          I was just at the fabric store today and saw that they sell just bra cups. Has anyone tried just adding those to a backless choli?? I'd like to know if this helps before I spend the time and money to do that. Don't like bouncing or drooping for that matter!
  • Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

    Tue, December 2, 2008 - 5:05 PM
    I have the same problem. I'm a FULL 36 D and I love the Flying Skirts cholis but complement me......they do not! Though they are constructed fabulously, they off no support and oh my..........well you know the dilema it sounds like.
    I know they actually have directions on their website for sewing in a bra. I would look on their website for that. It's been a while since I looked at them but they are detailed enough. I think I'm going to do this as well.
    Good luck!
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    Re: Big Busted Backless Choli Dilemma (re-visited)

    Thu, October 1, 2009 - 11:31 PM
    Thanks for posting this! I would like to wear one and I was looking like "Okay with my bust? I don't think so. But, they look so cute." I knew I would find it here and do a search.

    Great suggestions. =)
  • ** Bumping this up for a bunch of gals who asked me about my bra secret during an event I was at. Here it be!
    • Since you bumped it, I'd like to say that when I worked as a sales associate for Victoria's Secret, we were told a couple things that most women don't know about their bras:

      1) Most of the support comes from the strap - as many of you mentioned. We were told that when searching for a good bra, you should have good support even if you take the shoulder straps off your arms. Not good enough to be bouncing around the place, mind you, but good enough for standing in the dressing room.

      2) If you have a light colored shirt and you don't want your bra to be screaming, "Look at me!! I'm under here!" to everyone around you, MATCH your skin tone (as best you can) to the bra. The most common misconception is to wear a white bra under a white shirt.... that's a big no-no. If you're darker skinned, don't go for the light nude colors, go for the darker colors like purples, blues, browns. I have this wonderful lavender bra that works well for me when I'm actually tan in the summer from being outside. The color doesn't matter as much as the shade.

      Just thought I'd share and edjumacate ya'll. :-)

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